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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://brewpublic.com/brewpubs/rogue-now-owns-what-was-green-dragon/comment-page-1/#comment-468</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ For Fucks Sake
Your gripes are heard. I found a very interesting answer proffered by Rock Bottom’s Van Havig in an interview I conducted with the brewmaster in 2007 when asked “What words of wisdom would you offer to an aspiring brewer?” Havig said:

“…Portland is a great town. It’s a fantastic town. It’s hands down my favorite city in the country. It’s a great town to be a brewer in. The problem is, every aspiring brewer in the country knows that. And I would say that even though there are a lot of breweries here and a lot of brewing jobs, they happen to almost all be taken. The problem is that you have a great number of people in this tiny town who are trying to be a brewer than probably anywhere else in the country. My honest advice: Move somewhere else. I’m dead serious. If you really, really want to do this, you have to make a decision: Do you want to do this, or do you want to live in Portland? I moved here in 1988 and got lucky enough to move back. But the fact of the matter is, you can get a job much easier in the Mid-Atlantic, probably much easier in a place like Chicago or Minnesota, or places like that where there are breweries, but it’s not the coolest thing in the world and everyone doesn’t think about beer all the time. It’s tough. It’s really, really tough to get a job in this town. It’s brutal! I tell people all the time to go to D.C. There’s a bunch of freakin’ breweries (there) and nobody thinks it’s cool to be a brewer…no-bo-dy! Everyone thinks its cool to work on the Hill or be a lobbiest or work for an NGO or be an engineer or work for a software company. Nobody freakin’ wants to be in brewing, therefore, if you really want to do it, you can get a job. I’m not trying to be a jerk. That’s the truth. It’s not like I started in Portland. I started in Minnesota and went to Maryland.”

I’m certainly not advocating that anyone leave Portland. I am currently taking on part time jobs I don’t want to continue living here with aspirations that someone will want to sponsor this website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ For Fucks Sake<br />
Your gripes are heard. I found a very interesting answer proffered by Rock Bottom’s Van Havig in an interview I conducted with the brewmaster in 2007 when asked “What words of wisdom would you offer to an aspiring brewer?” Havig said:</p>
<p>“…Portland is a great town. It’s a fantastic town. It’s hands down my favorite city in the country. It’s a great town to be a brewer in. The problem is, every aspiring brewer in the country knows that. And I would say that even though there are a lot of breweries here and a lot of brewing jobs, they happen to almost all be taken. The problem is that you have a great number of people in this tiny town who are trying to be a brewer than probably anywhere else in the country. My honest advice: Move somewhere else. I’m dead serious. If you really, really want to do this, you have to make a decision: Do you want to do this, or do you want to live in Portland? I moved here in 1988 and got lucky enough to move back. But the fact of the matter is, you can get a job much easier in the Mid-Atlantic, probably much easier in a place like Chicago or Minnesota, or places like that where there are breweries, but it’s not the coolest thing in the world and everyone doesn’t think about beer all the time. It’s tough. It’s really, really tough to get a job in this town. It’s brutal! I tell people all the time to go to D.C. There’s a bunch of freakin’ breweries (there) and nobody thinks it’s cool to be a brewer…no-bo-dy! Everyone thinks its cool to work on the Hill or be a lobbiest or work for an NGO or be an engineer or work for a software company. Nobody freakin’ wants to be in brewing, therefore, if you really want to do it, you can get a job. I’m not trying to be a jerk. That’s the truth. It’s not like I started in Portland. I started in Minnesota and went to Maryland.”</p>
<p>I’m certainly not advocating that anyone leave Portland. I am currently taking on part time jobs I don’t want to continue living here with aspirations that someone will want to sponsor this website.</p>
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		<title>By: For Fucks Sake</title>
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		<dc:creator>For Fucks Sake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due respect: FUCK.
I&#039;ve been trying to find  a job in the independent beer industry in Portland for months. It&#039;s been a humiliating and terrible process which has involved getting the runaround from the Green Dragon, getting turned down at Laurelwood for an apparent lack of love for the kiddies, and showing up to my interview at Lompoc only to find the position had already been filled.
So.  Is someone going to open an amazing new brewpub in these dark days and employ all of Portland&#039;s down and out beer geeks?  Or do I now have 30 more people competing for the same nonexistent jobs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due respect: FUCK.<br />
I&#8217;ve been trying to find  a job in the independent beer industry in Portland for months. It&#8217;s been a humiliating and terrible process which has involved getting the runaround from the Green Dragon, getting turned down at Laurelwood for an apparent lack of love for the kiddies, and showing up to my interview at Lompoc only to find the position had already been filled.<br />
So.  Is someone going to open an amazing new brewpub in these dark days and employ all of Portland&#8217;s down and out beer geeks?  Or do I now have 30 more people competing for the same nonexistent jobs?</p>
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		<title>By: civil_disobedience</title>
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		<dc:creator>civil_disobedience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Said H: “CD, how would anyone with a potential position in mind go about reaching the 27 out of 30 Green Dragon employees who left?”

Good point, my friend. For starters, I should state that I was misinformed as to how many employees walked. Some were given a grace period to think on their future w/ the establishment, and that was initially viewed as part of the loss. The number isn’t quite so drastic, although still in double digits. If anything the switch has had a far greater impact on the front of house staff than on the kitchen crew. That said, those seeking employment at this time would more than likely be looking into server/bartender positions, but absolutely grateful for any lead. All are qualified, hard-working, good natured, four letter wording human beings :)

You can contact me here: civil_disobedience88@yahoo.com 

Tell me who you would like to speak with, and I’ll put you in touch.

Thanks so much for your concern!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Said H: “CD, how would anyone with a potential position in mind go about reaching the 27 out of 30 Green Dragon employees who left?”</p>
<p>Good point, my friend. For starters, I should state that I was misinformed as to how many employees walked. Some were given a grace period to think on their future w/ the establishment, and that was initially viewed as part of the loss. The number isn’t quite so drastic, although still in double digits. If anything the switch has had a far greater impact on the front of house staff than on the kitchen crew. That said, those seeking employment at this time would more than likely be looking into server/bartender positions, but absolutely grateful for any lead. All are qualified, hard-working, good natured, four letter wording human beings <img src='http://brewpublic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You can contact me here: <a href="mailto:civil_disobedience88@yahoo.com">civil_disobedience88@yahoo.com</a> </p>
<p>Tell me who you would like to speak with, and I’ll put you in touch.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your concern!</p>
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		<title>By: H</title>
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		<dc:creator>H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>civil disobedience said “If any of you good folks know of, or yourself have work opportunity of any trade, please get in touch with us.” 

CD, how would anyone with a potential position in mind go about reaching the 27 out of 30 Green Dragon employees who left?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>civil disobedience said “If any of you good folks know of, or yourself have work opportunity of any trade, please get in touch with us.” </p>
<p>CD, how would anyone with a potential position in mind go about reaching the 27 out of 30 Green Dragon employees who left?</p>
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		<title>By: Silicon Florist’s links arrangement for November 20 : Oregon Startup Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silicon Florist’s links arrangement for November 20 : Oregon Startup Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rogue Now Owns Green Dragon Via Brewpublic &#8220;Something like 30 people employed by this place. Rogue offered people to move to places like Eugene…made them offers they have to refuse. Many of these people have families and can’t just move to places like Newport and San Francisco. They’re not seventeen years old.” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rogue Now Owns Green Dragon Via Brewpublic &#8220;Something like 30 people employed by this place. Rogue offered people to move to places like Eugene…made them offers they have to refuse. Many of these people have families and can’t just move to places like Newport and San Francisco. They’re not seventeen years old.” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Roma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Roma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bruce

15 pieces of flair... minimum ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bruce</p>
<p>15 pieces of flair&#8230; minimum <img src='http://brewpublic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bruce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a no swearing policy, who requires us to piss test (and pay $45 for it),tuck in our shirts, wear a name tag, and ask every customer we’re unfamiliar with if they are part of “the rogue nation”.&quot;

HA!  All they need is to require 15 pieces of flair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a no swearing policy, who requires us to piss test (and pay $45 for it),tuck in our shirts, wear a name tag, and ask every customer we’re unfamiliar with if they are part of “the rogue nation”.&#8221;</p>
<p>HA!  All they need is to require 15 pieces of flair.</p>
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		<title>By: Isaac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Isaac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, maybe I have been tuned out, but I don&#039;t get what was so evil about Rogue. I thought they were pretty well liked as a brewery. Is this anger and sadness more about the Green Dragon being &quot;sold out&quot; by an owner that folks trusted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, maybe I have been tuned out, but I don&#8217;t get what was so evil about Rogue. I thought they were pretty well liked as a brewery. Is this anger and sadness more about the Green Dragon being &#8220;sold out&#8221; by an owner that folks trusted?</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
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		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“Convivial…” that’s a laugh.

-anónimo&quot;

No shit. Hardly the word I&#039;d use to describe the GD, although it was a great place to have a good beer and be left alone. Or be ignored by the bartender while he tried in vain to charm the few ladies in the place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Convivial…” that’s a laugh.</p>
<p>-anónimo&#8221;</p>
<p>No shit. Hardly the word I&#8217;d use to describe the GD, although it was a great place to have a good beer and be left alone. Or be ignored by the bartender while he tried in vain to charm the few ladies in the place.</p>
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		<title>By: civil_disobedience</title>
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		<dc:creator>civil_disobedience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Due to replacements, the slashing of various positions and shifts, but mostly toward a regard of loyalty to home and family, the original staff of the Green Dragon is now down from 30 to 3. Because the majority of us refuse to work for anyone who has a no swearing policy, who requires us to piss test (and pay $45 for it),tuck in our shirts, wear a name tag, and ask every customer we&#039;re unfamiliar with if they are part of &quot;the rogue nation&quot;, we&#039;ve chosen to leave. I&#039;ve been employed by the dragon from day one, and though it&#039;s difficult to walk out on work given the times, it was much more unappealing to suffer through this transition. Those who are jumping ship are the most quality human beings I&#039;ve ever had the pleasure to work beside, and more importantly, befriend. If any of you good folks know of, or yourself have work opportunity of any trade, please get in touch with us. 

&quot;A man is rich in proportion to the number of things he can afford to let alone.&quot; Thoreau</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to replacements, the slashing of various positions and shifts, but mostly toward a regard of loyalty to home and family, the original staff of the Green Dragon is now down from 30 to 3. Because the majority of us refuse to work for anyone who has a no swearing policy, who requires us to piss test (and pay $45 for it),tuck in our shirts, wear a name tag, and ask every customer we&#8217;re unfamiliar with if they are part of &#8220;the rogue nation&#8221;, we&#8217;ve chosen to leave. I&#8217;ve been employed by the dragon from day one, and though it&#8217;s difficult to walk out on work given the times, it was much more unappealing to suffer through this transition. Those who are jumping ship are the most quality human beings I&#8217;ve ever had the pleasure to work beside, and more importantly, befriend. If any of you good folks know of, or yourself have work opportunity of any trade, please get in touch with us. </p>
<p>&#8220;A man is rich in proportion to the number of things he can afford to let alone.&#8221; Thoreau</p>
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		<title>By: anónimo</title>
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		<dc:creator>anónimo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking as someone who has to drive at least 40 minutes out of the way to drink a beer, I wholeheartedly appreciate establishments letting me know what&#039;s on tap and/or who&#039;s a guest brewer or &lt;b&gt;if&lt;/b&gt; there&#039;s a guest brewer at a given location at a given time before burning a couple gallons of gas… sure, I could find &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt; to drink on any given night, but I can do that &lt;strike&gt;just&lt;/strike&gt;… almost as easily closer to work/home.

As much as I love(d) the Green Dragon for its eclectic atmosphere and constantly variable selection, I can love Bailey&#039;s/Belmont/Horse Brass for similar reasons… and I can be assured ahead of time that I&#039;m more likely to find something I &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; to try; for the &lt;strike&gt;eco&lt;/strike&gt;cost-conscious among us, that&#039;s a useful resource.

But I&#039;m sure we&#039;re a small, insignificant portion of business… most of the regulars (read: cool kids) don&#039;t care what&#039;s on tap, so long as it&#039;s plentiful and freely flowing (read: $$$); the &quot;kill-me-please-stop-talking beer nerds&quot; (read: social outcasts) are less likely to drink indiscriminately and/or in large quantities (read: $); why cater to them?

&quot;Convivial…&quot; that&#039;s a laugh.

-anónimo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as someone who has to drive at least 40 minutes out of the way to drink a beer, I wholeheartedly appreciate establishments letting me know what&#8217;s on tap and/or who&#8217;s a guest brewer or <b>if</b> there&#8217;s a guest brewer at a given location at a given time before burning a couple gallons of gas… sure, I could find <i>something</i> to drink on any given night, but I can do that <strike>just</strike>… almost as easily closer to work/home.</p>
<p>As much as I love(d) the Green Dragon for its eclectic atmosphere and constantly variable selection, I can love Bailey&#8217;s/Belmont/Horse Brass for similar reasons… and I can be assured ahead of time that I&#8217;m more likely to find something I <i>have</i> to try; for the <strike>eco</strike>cost-conscious among us, that&#8217;s a useful resource.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;re a small, insignificant portion of business… most of the regulars (read: cool kids) don&#8217;t care what&#8217;s on tap, so long as it&#8217;s plentiful and freely flowing (read: $$$); the &#8220;kill-me-please-stop-talking beer nerds&#8221; (read: social outcasts) are less likely to drink indiscriminately and/or in large quantities (read: $); why cater to them?</p>
<p>&#8220;Convivial…&#8221; that&#8217;s a laugh.</p>
<p>-anónimo</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These friends of our need jobs. Good one&#039;s that let them be the superior professionals that they are. But if that job isn&#039;t available, please let us know where you will be so I can continue to support you...NOT Rogue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These friends of our need jobs. Good one&#8217;s that let them be the superior professionals that they are. But if that job isn&#8217;t available, please let us know where you will be so I can continue to support you&#8230;NOT Rogue!</p>
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		<title>By: La Familia</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Familia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drug tests, names tags, uniforms, retraining, a &quot;no swearing&quot; policy, loss of shifts to Rogue employees...anything else I forgot to mention that would change the unique personalities of the GD staff into Red Robin employees. YES- your beloved pub will be changing dramatically!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drug tests, names tags, uniforms, retraining, a &#8220;no swearing&#8221; policy, loss of shifts to Rogue employees&#8230;anything else I forgot to mention that would change the unique personalities of the GD staff into Red Robin employees. YES- your beloved pub will be changing dramatically!</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ jorge   should I trust you.  you won&#039;t even own up to who you are.  Hiding behind a fake email with no link.   You speak in vague terms like you have something to hide.  It would be nice if folks would stop hiding behind laywers and double speak and speak the truth from their heart.  If you are going to tell me how to act or how to write, you could at very least quit hiding behind a fake name and email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ jorge   should I trust you.  you won&#8217;t even own up to who you are.  Hiding behind a fake email with no link.   You speak in vague terms like you have something to hide.  It would be nice if folks would stop hiding behind laywers and double speak and speak the truth from their heart.  If you are going to tell me how to act or how to write, you could at very least quit hiding behind a fake name and email.</p>
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		<title>By: LoLo</title>
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		<dc:creator>LoLo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To all of my friends running other establishments - The family that has built the dragon are good workers, and some of them may need jobs.  I will support the people that have cared and worked their asses off and will give recommendations in their behalf. Call me if you need someone that needs to pay their bills and cares about our community. 541-350-8863. Cheers and Civil Disobedience! LoLo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all of my friends running other establishments &#8211; The family that has built the dragon are good workers, and some of them may need jobs.  I will support the people that have cared and worked their asses off and will give recommendations in their behalf. Call me if you need someone that needs to pay their bills and cares about our community. 541-350-8863. Cheers and Civil Disobedience! LoLo.</p>
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